buy windows 7 ultimate oem adobe cs4 design premium mac buy after effects cs4 adobe premiere pro cs3 download buy outlook 2007 cheap adobe after effects download download autodesk maya cs3 production premium mac download autodesk inventor 2009 microsoft office project professional 2007 download cheap adobe flash software purchase windows vista 64 bit norton 360 cheapest price buy dreamweaver for mac buy adobe contribute mac adobe acrobat prices acrobat 9 download zonealarm antivirus 8 trial buy microsoft money plus buy 3ds max online adobe premiere elements 8 best buy buy cubase 5 online buy microsoft office 2008 for mac cheapest windows 7 deal acrobat 9 pro buy corel draw cheap buy photoshop for mac purchase windows vista product key buy word 2003 online cheap dreamweaver cs4 download buy outlook express 2007 buy windows vista home premium 64 bit buy microsoft mappoint buy autodesk inventor 2008 microsoft expression cost adobe indesign cs3 price buy powerpoint 2003 online corel video studio 12 download buy adobe photoshop mac adobe indesign cs3 cheap microsoft expression web 2 download buy microsoft visio professional norton 360 cheap autocad mechanical 2010 download adobe soundbooth cs4 download buy windows 7 oem ultimate adobe premiere pro cs4 price buy microsoft access 2002 buy adobe flash online microsoft excel 2007 buy adobe premiere pro for mac corel ulead video studio x2 buy powerpoint 2007 download adobe after effects system requirements download acrobat 9 dreamweaver mac demo microsoft money home and business download buy windows 7 oem version microsoft excel 2007 product key quicken 2010 pricing buy adobe framemaker cheap norton ghost buy microsoft office 2003 product key purchase windows 7 business autodesk maya 2009 download wordperfect download adobe after effects mac download buy photoshop mac adobe photoshop elements 8 price buy microsoft excel 2003 buy adobe captivate 3 download quickbooks premier 2008 where can i buy powerpoint 2007 purchase windows 7 key 3ds max price get windows 7 ultimate 32bit buy adobe indesign cs4 buy adobe fireworks buy windows 2003 datacenter buy windows 7 ultimate product key adobe pagemaker download mappoint europe 2010 adobe premiere download 3ds max sale download cubase 4 purchase photoshop elements 7 visual studio 2008 professional download adobe cs4 web premium for mac buy powerpoint 2003 buy microsoft vista buy autocad lt purchase windows vista home premium cheap vista business adobe premiere pro cs4 cheap adobe cs3 master collection price purchase quickbooks windows 7 ultimate discount buy windows 7 product key online adobe framemaker download buy windows 7 home premium full purchase microsoft word download premiere elements 7 streets and trips 2010 buy download adobe dreamweaver cs4 cheap illustrator software download autodesk inventor photoimpact download buy pagemaker software buy windows 7 premium buy windows 7 ultimate full version buy windows 7 oem key cs3 for mac download download autocad electrical autodesk 3ds max 2010 system requirements adobe contribute cs3 download digital image suite 2006 microsoft office 2003 buy online windows 2008 server cost buy windows 2003 enterprise edition download adobe flash cs4 buy quicken cheap autocad inventor professional suite 2010 download navisworks manage cost adobe suite for mac adobe captivate 3 download adobe after effects student discount buy turbotax 2009 adobe master suite cs3 demo microsoft word 2003 download full version microsoft windows 7 home premium 64 oem download maya 2009 buy adobe cs4 master collection purchase adobe captivate 3 microsoft project 2003 buy windows vista business oem download windows xp best buy buy inventor 2009 adobe illustrator cs4 direct download cheap windows vista 64 bit windows 7 pro cheap windows 2003 enterprise price cheap acrobat 9 turbo tax best buy buy windows 7 student buy ms project standard windows 2003 enterprise edition download cheap turbo tax 2009 windows 7 cost oem illustrator for mac os x cheapest windows xp professional cheap adobe photoshop cs4 where to buy microsoft office cheap cheap microsoft office 2003 windows 2008 web server download adobe photoshop mac price buy norton ghost 12 buy visio 2003 professional download corel painter for mac adobe cs4 design premium price download wordperfect download adobe flash cs4 professional buy microsoft office mac 2008 microsoft office 2003 pro oem download microsoft office 2010 adobe flash cs3 for mac download download autodesk autosketch 9 dreamweaver mac download buy windows 7 download download wavelab 4 microsoft expression price buy corel draw 9 corel software for mac microsoft digital image suite 2006 editor buy adobe creative suite 4 design premium buy microsoft office online buy microsoft vista product key buy adobe photoshop elements 6 money deluxe download autocad electrical 2010 price download adobe premiere elements 7 get parallels desktop 4.0 for mac premiere pro cs3 buy windows 7 ultimate 64 bit illustrator for mac master collection cs4 download buy autocad 2010 cheap buy corel draw corel draw 9 mac download adobe premiere elements 8 visual studio 2008 download cheap windows 7 ultimate order windows 7 ultimate illustrator cs2 download adobe robohelp 8 download buy windows xp professional illustrator cs3 download cheap lightroom windows 2003 enterprise license cost purchase windows vista home basic cheapest windows vista download lightroom 2.5 buy onenote online adobe illustrator cs3 direct download autodesk lustre pricing buy adobe cs3 for mac norton ghost 12 product key windows 7 pro 64 bit price adobe cs4 design premium cheap adobe contribute cs4 mac price purchase maya software buy microsoft access 2007 download buy windows 7 digital copy windows 2003 datacenter pricing buy microsoft outlook 2007 purchase acrobat 8 powerpoint pricing nuendo 4 download full buy adobe photoshop cs3 cheap dreamweaver mac system requirements buy lightroom download buy cs4 design standard cheap adobe dreamweaver buy office 2003 download microsoft word 2007 zonealarm antivirus 8 torrent cheapest place to buy turbotax 2009 download adobe audition 2.0 norton ghost 12 price navisworks download autodesk lustre cost buy ms office for mac purchase windows xp product key adobe contribute trial cubase 5 buy online 64 bit windows 7 home premium download microsoft access 2003 norton 360 discount coreldraw for mac os x buy windows 7 oem 64 bit get buy windows 7 oem ultimate corel photoimpact x3 download purchase vista oem quicken 2010 price comparison best buy photoshop autocad prices adobe lightroom sale navisworks manage 2009 mudbox pricing windows 7 home premium best price buy adobe premiere download turbotax 2008 premier buy autoroute 2007 adobe cs4 mac oem windows vista 64 bit buy adobe captivate demo where can i buy ms office 2003 buy office 2003 license purchase windows 7 pro buy microsoft access only purchase pcanywhere windows 7 64 bit price purchase microsoft access visual studio 2008 professional price cheap windows xp professional microsoft windows vista ultimate with sp2 (32bit) buy adobe flash builder purchase microsoft office 2003 online windows 2008 enterprise cost adobe illustrator mac download purchase vista online windows vista business price windows 7 ultimate license buy windows 7 oem australia corel wordperfect x4 oem buy office 2003 professional buy microsoft powerpoint 2003 windows r2 download buy office 2003 cheap indesign software download download microsoft office 2008 for mac buy dreamweaver 8 buy microsoft money 2006 purchase cs3 software buy creative suite 4 web premium buy lightroom 2.5 buy microsoft word 2007 software cheap windows xp home edition buy sql server 2008 enterprise microsoft visio 2003 price microsoft office 2003 discount windows vista home basic product key cs4 production premium mac windows 7 home premium price buy vista business upgrade lightroom for apple cheap microsoft access 2007 download microsoft office 2003 pro adobe flash cs3 professional download windows 7 professional discount windows vista home basic iso buy vista product key online buy adobe premiere elements 7 download microsoft expression 2 windows vista premium download adobe captivate oem buy adobe master suite cs3 windows 2008 enterprise virtual licensing download streets and trips 2009 buy outlook 2007 adobe cs3 master download download adobe flash cs3 professional buy autocad 2009 windows vista home basic price download adobe cs4 design premium download adobe presenter 7 adobe illustrator 10 download microsoft works download buy norton 360 download buy autocad lt 2010 buy photoshop elements cheap buy autosketch 9 corel draw macintosh painter x for mac adobe flash cs4 professional download buy microsoft windows 7 home premium photoshop lightroom for mac cheap autocad 2009 adobe photoshop cs4 buy download cs4 dreamweaver cheap photoshop cs4 autocad mechanical best price buy windows xp license online autocad electrical 2010 download photoshop elements 8 price autocad 2010 download full adobe flash cs3 for mac windows xp buying buy photoshop cs3 student buy windows 7 home premium dreamweaver mac cs3 photoimpact pro 13 microsoft onenote price buy photoshop elements 7.0 buy quicken 2007 corel draw 11 for mac windows 7 home premium 64 oem autocad electrical download cheap access 2007 adobe cs3 master collection system requirements adobe cs4 web premium trial turbotax 2009 deluxe coupons download windows 2003 enterprise buy navisworks buy microsoft project 2007 cheap illustrator cs4 buy cs3 dreamweaver buy sql server windows 7 64 bit best buy windows 7 professional 32 bit download buy powerpoint download buy microsoft visio 2007 windows vista download iso get zonealarm antivirus 8 windows 2008 standard r2 corel draw sale autocad 2010 system requirements buy autodesk maya 2009 download indesign cs4 vista business cheap purchase indesign cs4 buy adobe photoshop elements 5.0 download microsoft autoroute 2007 europe corel painter x for mac get autodesk 3ds max 2010 adobe photoshop cs4 mac autocad inventor download buy ms visual studio 2008 corel video studio pro x2 price buy microsoft visual studio 2005 cheap adobe cs4 design premium download windows 2008 r2 download autocad mechanical 2009 microsoft streets and trips 2010 price adobe cs4 fireworks download windows 7 professional cheapest price buy acrobat professional 9 buy excel 2007 online mac lightroom buy autocad electrical 2010 buy cubase studio 4 turbotax 2008 download adobe cs2 illustrator download adobe photoshop elements cheapest buy encarta 2009 microsoft powerpoint 2003 download download cubase sx3 full version buy dvd moviefactory 6 download norton 360 download buy windows 7 online adobe captivate 4 price adobe presenter 6 download buy windows enterprise purchase adobe premiere pro cs3 where to buy adobe flash cs3 microsoft autoroute 2007 europe download autodesk mudbox 2010 download buy after effects cs4 mac after effects cs3 download quicken 2008 download download dreamweaver cs4 acrobat download 9 adobe cs3 cheap buy windows xp online purchase windows 7 licence buy contribute cs3 office 2008 for mac download dreamweaver cs4 oem after effects for mac trial microsoft expression studio 3 download corel painter 9 for mac framemaker 9 download buy microsoft expression studio 2 corel painter 10 for mac buy quicken 2009 windows vista download windows 7 home premium full version windows 7 ultimate oem best price microsoft office 2003 professional microsoft office 2003 best buy autodesk lustre download buy corel dvd moviefactory 7 download corel draw 10 mac microsoft windows vista home basic with sp2 (32 bit) turbotax deluxe 2009 price autodesk autosketch 9 download norton 360 sale windows vista business download buy adobe flash cs3 professional windows 7 ultimate price windows 7 home premium 64 bit iso microsoft office onenote 2003 download coreldraw for mac download purchase office 2003 professional buy vista ultimate 64 bit buy norton ghost online autodesk 3ds max 2009 download cheapest windows xp home edition buy photoshop for cheap buy cs3 master collection norton ghost 15 price cheap photoshop software

The following is a response by Kevin Vanhoozer to my review of his book The Drama of Doctrine: A Canonical-Linguistic Approach to Christian Theology. It is Kevin’s and my joint hope that this interchange may contribute to better understanding in the service of evangelical theology and the fruitful collaboration of biblical studies and systematic theology.

Dear Andreas,

I suppose the most important thing to say at present, in the post-Beckwith era, is that I am hardly on the road to Rome! In fact, one of my chief purposes was to rehabilitate the principle of sola Scriptura in an environment that is far from conducive to it. To the extent that I am successful, I think I also strengthen the strong right exegetical arm of OT and NT biblical scholars like yourself.

A few comments:

1. Lindbeck’s work was an “occasion” for my book, but neither he nor Balthasar were inspirations. I had already begun thinking in theodramatic terms before I found Balthasar, and on material questions we differ quite often. To be honest, the most important motivation of the book was to offer evangelicals a “third way” which was distinct from propositionalism and from the postconservativism of Grenz and Franke. I wondered whether or not I should employ that term, but then I remembered Luther’s comment: “Why should the devil have all the good tunes?”

2. I am critical only of cognitive-propositionalism to the extent that it is reductionistic, that it, when it ignores either the special contribution of the Bible’s literary forms or the needs of the present pastoral context. I’m not entirely reactionary; I actually was seeking to build on the best of Henry tempered by the best of Bernard Ramm.

3. On the role of the dramaturge, two things: (a) the biblical scholar clearly has input here in getting the text right; (b) there is no reason why the pastor cannot also be a dramaturge. In fact, I imply as much in the conclusion. Giving sapiential sermons is the pastor’s prime directive, and it consists in giving sound direction—understanding—to the congregation.

4. My “theory” of language consists merely in acknowledging language as discourse—something someone says to someone in some way about something—and in recognizing that speaking is a form of doing. I actually prefer to speak of communicative acts, in part to distinguish myself from the technicalities of speech act theory (itself a divided philosophical house).

5. Your summary is fair for the most part, with one glaring exception: I do not call for a “hermeneutic of pneumatic reception” but criticize it: “To suggest that the way the church receives the word determines what God is saying and doing in the Bible is to wreak havoc with the economy of divine discourse” (p. 193). If you re-read that section (189–93) I think you’ll see that I’m describing Performance II interpretation only to distance myself from it.

6. It’s interesting that I get criticized both for imposing a Reformed theological grid and for being too ecumenical! Which is it?

7. I’m under no illusion that I have not ironed out all the wrinkles (or exegetical implications) of my position. It was intended as a programmatic vision statement (it actually began as a clarion call at a conference at Regent College where I went head-to-head with Stan Grenz). I am still hopeful that others will come on board and help me to address the “technical” issues.

8. I see what you mean with regard to my comment about “cultural imperialism” and Acts 15. In fact, what I meant to say was that the Jerusalem Council agreed not to impose Jewish requirements on Gentile Christians—in short, they refrained from imposing Jewish “culture” (religious culture) on the Gentiles. But I think the point you mention—that they are acknowledging the work of the Spirit outside the boundaries of the old covenant—is in fact the main point.

9. On biblical theology: my use of Gundry’s unpublished paper should be seen in conjunction with the point and reference I make to his published work on p. 355 n. 156. Of course, he is not the only person to make such points, but he was my first and most important mentor, so I do have a tendency to dialogue with him. Would you say that there is only one Christology in the NT, by the way? It seems to me that the Evangelists do not all identify Jesus as the Christ with the same recipe. I think their descriptions are compatible with one another, but I do not think that they can, or should, be reduced to a single model. This may be the nub of our most important difference (see #15 below), and it is a rich one: who would have thought that the NT scholar would be defending unity and coherence against the systematician who seeks justice for the many?!

10. I have no problem with the more traditional ways of relating the OT and NT, but to consider them would have called for another book. The approach I wanted to suggest in The Drama of Doctrine was that the NT is an improvisation (in the technical sense that I present in the book) on the OT. But I agree with you that more could, and should, be said.

11. I continue to think that the theodramatic model works very well, not least because I’m not sure it’s only a model! The gospel literally has do to with the speech and acts of God and with the way we participate (respond) to them. As far as my collapsing the actor/audience distinction, this is a very common practice if you read about the theory of interactive theater. In collapsing the distinction, then, I’m actually on the cutting edge of drama theory. For the record, I do think the pastor is ideally both actor and dramaturge as well, but I also see pastors and theologians as special actors who also have special vocations (e.g., directing).

12. It is indeed interesting to speculate about the biblical support for the key metaphor of the dramaturge. But the same, I suppose, could be asked with regard to the systematic theologian! Where does one see that (me!) modeled in Scripture: the prophets? the evangelists? Paul?

13. Carl Henry said the right thing at the right time. I acknowledge that. But I also happen to know that he did not think that the literary forms of the Bible were theologically significant, because he told me so to my face! He said that they had nothing whatsoever to contribute as far as the Bible’s truth was concerned. I disagreed then, and I still do … I did make an effort, however, to say that Henry was not the villain (see 267–68)!

14. On why theologians should not go looking for timeless truth: I would rather say that theologians should be on the lookout for time-full truth—for truths that are true at all times. Christianity is incarnational; the truth of Jesus Christ may be embodied at all times, but not at no-time. So I affirm universal truth, but want to nuance “universal” so that it is eminently temporal, not non-temporal. I wonder if a non-temporal truth can even be applied or brought to bear on our time-bound human reality. I think it’s clear that I affirm propositional truth; that’s why I’m attacked by liberals and postliberals and Grenzian postconservatives!

15. Your most weighty concern: I take this seriously, and you have framed it well. The challenge for me is to affirm plurality (which I think is biblical) but not pluralism (which I think is not biblical). In other words, I see real diversity (not contradiction!) in Scripture, but I do not think that this need lead to an anything-goes relativism. I agree with Bakhtin: some truths take more than one voice (read “conceptual scheme”) to be articulated. I would say the same thing about metaphors with regard to the saving significance of Jesus’ cross.

Having said that, I’m not happy with Joel Green’s “kaleidoscopic” view of the atonement, because on his view it sounds as though one perspective is as good as another. The Reformed theologian in me wants to privilege one perspective; the “catholic” evangelical in me wants to acknowledge that more than one perspective is needed to have a full articulation of canonical truth.

My position is not logically fallacious unless one imports the prior assumption that biblical truth is coherent in the (narrow) sense that it can be given what I call “epic” formulation in a single conceptual scheme. My own working assumption is that biblical truth has a dialogical coherence and a dialogical unity. I know this is strange for a systematic theologian to say, but I feel I must say it in order to remain biblical: “Here I stand, I can do no other!”

I disagree that my position is that of Bauer’s and Ehrman’s. I am holding up as authoritative not the plurality in the early church but precisely the theological plurality in the canon itself. We evangelicals need to continue this important discussion, both biblical scholars and theologians. My ultimate goal, after all, is to be biblical. But the question I have been pursuing for years is “What exactly does it mean to be biblical?” I too affirm the ultimate coherence and unity of biblical truth, but I feel constrained to qualify it as a “plural unity.” Elsewhere I have called it a “Pentecostal plurality.” To my mind, only such an acknowledgement can save us from succumbing to interpretative pride, which is the belief that only my way of looking at the Scriptures is the right one. Here I want to raise a question of my own concerning baptism: is it possible that on some doctrinal points the Bible may be underdetermined?

In conclusion, I think we both want to affirm the Bible’s multi-perspectival truth. Ironically, the key difference between us may lie not in our estimate concerning the genre not of Scripture but of systematic theology. But this, I have to confess, is something I am still very much working through…

Thanks again for your fair read and stimulating questions!

Yours in Christ,
Kevin

by Andreas Köstenberger - May 8th, 2007.
Filed under: Blog, Theology.

5 Comments to “Vanhoozer Responds to My Review”
  1. Hans says:

    Drs. Köstenberger and Vanhoozer,

    Thanks for this lively and edifying correspondence. I think your exchange helps clarify some of the most interesting features of The Drama of Doctrine. I also appreciate the implicit integration, here and there, that was happening between biblical studies and systematic theology. My sense is that similar moves need to happen on a much broader scale if we want to recover the drama of doctrine in our churches. This brief point-counterpoint is only a start in that direction, but a start is better than nothing!

    Gratefully,
    Hans

  2. Ched says:

    This discussion is exceedingly helpful.

  3. Jason K. Lee says:

    Andreas,

    Thank you for interaction with Vanhoozer’s work. I wonder if his essay in Reading Scripture with the Church (along with his response to Fowl) provides some more insight into “plural unity” or pluralistic approach. I am grateful to Vanhoozer for his response.

    Blessings.

  4. Andy Stager says:

    I’m also very thankful for this dialog. I’m probably going to be a pastor, but I’d like to do an ST PhD. I’ve considered TEDS, and also the HTC. And I noticed that Paul Helm is now supervising doctoral students at HTC. Being such a “Vanhoozer fan” myself, I’m almost thinking it would be interesting to work with Helm in an attempt to figure out why he perceives the rift between traditional Reformed ST and the Vanhoozer proposal to be so wide.

    Anyways, thanks for the stimulating discussion.

  5. Baba Bulus says:

    thank you for sharing your rich knowledge with us on the net for free. I am begining to have understanding of the issues. pls need more of this. most of your books are hard to find in Nigeria (africa). Pls help us grow in articulating theology.

Leave a Reply

(required)

(required)


Powered by WP Hashcash